Transporting the family at speed

May 18, 2024,18:51 PM
 

As we have two kids and both of us occasionally take them to school, and as we are not that fond of SUVs (OK, that’s primarily me and I would make an exception for the Stelvio), a fast estate is the default choice. The current roster is an E63S and an M3 Touring.




While the E is a known quantity, having been around for many a generation, albeit now with AWD, which changes the concept significantly, the M is a premiere, both in terms of AWD and estate body. 

The E has been in the household for a while, while the M is relatively fresh. So how do they compare? In some ways I find them surprisingly closer than anticipated. 

They are both similar in how they drive on a day to day basis. And where I felt the M3 would feel smaller (more like a glove) and nimbler, it doesn’t. That’s not a criticism, as the E really does hustle nowadays but is surprising nevertheless. The Ms seating position is lower and the seats more overtly sporty looking. Both offer a decent enough seating position and will grip you adequately for road use. 

Engine wise it’s straight six vs. V8. After the latest facelift the AMG voice has been greatly diminished, making for a car that you can comfortably drive for over 1.000km a day but which will not always have you reach for a downshift when you see a tunnel. The BMW is the much more vocal of the two and sounds angrier when pushed. 

Acceleration wise there’s not much in it and the same in terms of top speed - in theory the BMW is faster at 300kph vs. 290 but the AMG matches it in reality (GPS measured). They can both run all day at 250 without you breaking much of a sweat. Above that speed at public roads you need a heightened concentration with all cars (here these speeds are legal). But both are reasonably stable up to their top speeds, and will require some work with the steering wheel if you need to decelerate quickly from 280 or above. 

In the rain the situation is somewhat different. The Merc remains rock solid and controlled, while the BMW is a lot more twitchy and aquaplanes at much lower speeds. They do have different tires (Pirelli vs Michelin), so there might be some effect from that, size wise the rears are a centimeter wider on the Merc and the fronts one wider on the BMW. 

Both make for incredibly competent autobahn tools and are a lot of fun on a country road, albeit not on a very narrow one, as they are large cars that never fully shrink. You can place them well but there’s a lot of them 🤷🏻‍♂️

In terms of practicality there’s no contest / the Merc has a significantly larger boot (the one in the M3 is, well, not much to write home about), some more space for passengers (although here the difference in a not as drastic anymore) and a much larger fuel tank, so you do not need to stop at every single petrol station. 

The controls and infotainment tend to be personal choices but both work well enough, with the steering wheel controls being better for me in the Beemer, still using buttons with haptic feedback. On the other hand the Merc has the nice pods, where you can configure the driving modes without removing your hands from the steering wheel, while the Beemer only offers you the choice of the two preconfigured M buttons on the steering wheel. 



Finally, looks. I am sure these are a personal choice but the E is downright stealthy, if you delete all the model descriptions on the boot lid and the front, while the BMW raises a lot more attention wherever you go (you get stopped at borders a lot more, cause the customs officials would like to take a look, something that never happened to me in the Mercedes).

Both might be amongst the last specimen of the genre in their current form. There will be an E63 and M5 estates in the coming generation but both as plug in hybrids, adding several hundred kilos and diminishing the boot capacity to something much more laughable if you actually intend to travel with a family. 

Makes me think it might be worth while to hold on to both 😉


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agree two amazing monsters

 
 By: Gelato Monster : May 18th, 2024-23:37

:)))

 
 By: amanico : May 19th, 2024-06:47

;-)

 
 By: amanico : May 19th, 2024-08:17

Great cars.

 
 By: InHavenPro : May 18th, 2024-19:04
With the preponderance of brilliant luxury trucks, and crucially, ample driving space for them here in the US, I don't anticipate considering an estate, but I've always admired them so your review was highly interesting and informative for me to read. I'v... 

Black…

 
 By: KMII : May 19th, 2024-04:57
The green exterior is a lot more intense than on the pics in the configurator - I thought it would be more like the Merc in the sense that it is subdued unless in intense sunshine but turns out not to be the case live🌞

I know!

 
 By: InHavenPro : May 19th, 2024-05:18
I've seen a number of non-estate M cars in that color in LA - I like it a lot . Cheers, Filip

It really works 👍🏻

 
 By: KMII : May 19th, 2024-05:25
And I would most likely go for the same color again, even knowing it. Maybe with a brown interior for the full forest experience 😂👍🏻

Oddly though....

 
 By: InHavenPro : May 19th, 2024-05:32
I've seen some people pair it with an orange color interior, and somehow it ends up working really well! Would not have believed that had I not seen it myself....

Haven’t seen that combination yet 🧐

 
 By: KMII : May 19th, 2024-05:34
And would want to see it live first before ordering it off a configuration blind 😉👍🏻

Kyalami Orange....

 
 By: InHavenPro : May 19th, 2024-06:12
Quite a combo to behold, the interior footage starts at 03:00....

Sweet rides!

 
 By: Larrykelley11 : May 18th, 2024-19:54
I owned an E63 wagon for 5 years, the engine is phenomenal and the handling beautiful. I would have purchased the M3 Touring if it was available a couple of years ago ( I guess it is coming to the US ) ended up with the Audi RS6 Avant, which I really enjo... 

In the sense of AWD certainly…

 
 By: KMII : May 19th, 2024-05:04
As for AMG estate, that came a bit earlier, already in the S124 generation. And there were 14 or 15 AMG55s made with AWD from the S203 one, too. As for mass production, the RS6 was the first with AWD and estate body.

Thank you

 
 By: Larrykelley11 : May 19th, 2024-20:01

Isle of Man green 🌳

 
 By: KMII : May 19th, 2024-05:00
The RS6 was another option when I chose the E and is one of the remaining few choices for some short months to come 👍🏻

A speedy duo.

 
 By: hora12reborn : May 18th, 2024-19:59

I am sure…

 
 By: KMII : May 19th, 2024-05:05
Not both needed to be so speedy but I was keen on trying the M3 (after the C43 and CLA 35 before) 😊👍🏻

Generally…

 
 By: KMII : May 19th, 2024-05:06
The E for me and M for my wife. But I do have reasons to need to do it the other way around on occasion 😉

That is a great combo!

 
 By: Chronometer (aka yacomino) : May 19th, 2024-12:34

I’m actually happy with both…

 
 By: KMII : May 19th, 2024-15:23
One surprise is that in spite of being quite a bit larger the Benz is a lot easier to park, having a dramatically smaller turning circle (the BMW is like a lorry in that respect 🤷🏻‍♂️).

Excellent choices!

 
 By: Aquaracer1 : May 18th, 2024-20:52

interesting statement about twitchiness and aquaplan

 
 By: Gelato Monster : May 18th, 2024-23:47
the E63S is using PZero and the M3 is using PS 4s? is it 4S* or 4S? personally I always love and have better experience with PS more than P0 regardless of car and generation.

Correct 👍🏻

 
 By: KMII : May 19th, 2024-05:09
And that has been my expectation, too (was fully intending to switch the Merc to the PS4S M0 when the Pirelli’s wore down) so that came as a real surprise. Especially at how stark the difference was. Will play with tire pressures a bit but I can hardly im... 

Pilot super sport please

 
 By: Gelato Monster : May 19th, 2024-06:53

Good one! :)))

 
 By: amanico : May 19th, 2024-09:58

These were the OEM fitting…

 
 By: KMII : May 19th, 2024-07:51
Will see what’s available when these wear out - regular PS5 will most likely not be offered in the size (and they would not do), not sure if they have the 5S in the right sizes yet 🧐

Too bad.

 
 By: amanico : May 19th, 2024-08:18

Double checked…

 
 By: KMII : May 19th, 2024-08:09
No PS5S yet in the sizes but there is the Conti SC7, which won the recent test in the size, so might give that a try instead 👍🏻

And PS4S?

 
 By: amanico : May 19th, 2024-08:17

Great.

 
 By: amanico : May 19th, 2024-09:32

Wow you have 2 of the best “family cars” in the business dear KM!

 
 By: S F : May 19th, 2024-01:45
Looks wise, the E is a little under the radar which works for me. I test drove seveal including the M5 and the M felt more edgy and louder (from the inside) compared to the E63 and the Alpina B5 and B7. Since you have both the E and the M in the garage, y... 

What then happens 😁

 
 By: KMII : May 19th, 2024-05:11
For longer journeys with the whole family it’s the E, as there’s hardly space in the M boot for more than a weekend’s worth of luggage 🤷🏻‍♂️

Interesting comparison …

 
 By: Cpt Scarlet : May 19th, 2024-22:17
I’ve driven several M series cars in the wet with different makes of tyre and they all require a degree of restraint and respect in wet conditions, the point of snap oversteer can be quite exciting especially for your passenger ! In these conditions I wou... 

If you look at tests…

 
 By: KMII : May 20th, 2024-04:19
Especially in English car magazines, they praise the current AWD M3 as an all weather unflappable tool. Judging by my experience so far that works in the dry but it gets quite exciting in the wet 😉 Not having tried the new AWD C63, I would say if you’re n... 

My choice in the wet for a modern car probably be …

 
 By: Cpt Scarlet : May 20th, 2024-08:55
A Golf R … epic in the wet 👌

7 or 8?

 
 By: KMII : May 20th, 2024-09:38
Have you tried the small AMGs? A and CLAs of the current generation are a lot of fun. Not as stable on an autobahn run above 220 or 230 as the larger ones but a blast on a country road, no matter the weather 👍🏻

I had a C Class AMG …

 
 By: Cpt Scarlet : May 20th, 2024-14:40
The engine sounded good but traction was always the issue. Electrical gremlins and a very poor service from the AD killed ithe ownership experience.

That’s not fun…

 
 By: KMII : May 21st, 2024-18:23
At least on the service front I seem to have no problems and the current generation are almost all AWD, making the traction a non-issue (but the engine sound is less glorious 🤷🏻‍♂️). Meant more the CLA and A - with the highly strung 4 cyl engines, i.e. mo... 

You need a third one !

 
 By: bimbeano : May 20th, 2024-17:41
Audi RS6 Avant In your case the M3 is my preference, although it is waaaaaaay too fast .. at least where I live. But for the German autobahn these cars are simply perfect. So in a perfect world where I live in Germany my choice would be a BMW 340d with so... 

Fuel consumption is what it is…

 
 By: KMII : May 21st, 2024-18:26
Overall average on the E is 14l/100km. So the 80 liter tank is a necessity. The M basically means stopping at every second petrol station 😂 As said in terms of all weather suitability I was surprised at the difference between the two. In a rain, where I w... 

I can imagine the M3 being difficult in the rain.

 
 By: bimbeano : May 22nd, 2024-13:21
I once remember seeing 285 on the clock of a friends AMG in the pouring rain ... no problem whatsoever. Although doing 200+ (let alone nearly 300) in the rain isn't something I really long for . Btw .. I bought an extra car ... I hope to take delivery in ... 

Very excited to see what you went for this time 🤞🏻

 
 By: KMII : May 22nd, 2024-17:38
Your choices tend to be delectable 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

They are certainly still one of the most versatile and useful car categories…

 
 By: KMII : June 2nd, 2024-07:31
Sadly the SUV is slowly but surely killing them off. Such a shame, as you get a much less efficient vehicle that’s worse to drive as a result 🤷🏻‍♂️ I understand why some find it appealing but would have preferred a higher choice 🤞🏻